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Sean

You might like John Scalzi's report on this.
http://scalzi.com/whatever/?p=121

Chris Wuestefeld

If you're interested in the conflict between evolutionary theory and ID, you may find this blog entertaining:
http://biologistshelpingbookstores.blogspot.com/

It's the chronicles the efforts of a couple of biologists to clarify the lines between these worlds. They visit bookstores and, when ID books have been shelved in the science section, move them over to the religion section.

Sam

I think both ID and evolution have gaping logic holes large enough to push a small galaxy through.

Probably it is the same like the evolution of our computer/software: evolution guided by a being outside of the thing being developed :)

Simon Johnson

> Sam said:

> Probably it is the same like the evolution of our computer/software: evolution
> guided by a outside of the thing being developed :)

I would agree with this view point if DNA was structured like source-code. You know, high-cohesion tightly focused Genes with clear operational purpose. One Gene to each purpose.

The problem is that DNA is not, you'll have a gene perform thirty separate functions and depend on fifty other genes firing correctly to be expressed.

This is totally the opposite of what I would expect an "intelligent designer" - an intelligent designer would seek to reduce dependencies and reduce complexity. Nature is ambivalent to these issues, at least at the DNA level.

It's worth pointing out that evolution is a mathematical construct - and is not inherently biological.

If you generate random tape for a universal Turing machine, a method to introduce small fluctuations in a "fit" tap and a selection procedure to determining the fitness of a given bit of tape. Then it is clear over many iterations, the tape will gradually converge on the optimal fitness value.

Life evolved to harness this property by developing it's own four colour Universal Turing Machine, DNA.

I happen to believe that the God, at least described in Roman Catholicism, is inherently self-contradictory.

Catholics believe that God is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnibenevolent.

You can't know everything, to construct a set of all truths is impossible.

You can't do every conceivable action because taking action X may render action Y impossible. For example, Can God create a rock so heavy even he can't lift it?

There is no evidence that God is always good. People say that to allow free will, God must allow some bad in the world. This is incorrect however, God would surely be duty bound to make the least bad world which still preserves free-will. We clearly do not live in such a world.

I find it simpler just to get rid of God completely. It is not surprising that we find ourselves to exist. Consider the alternative? If nothing existed, neither would we to discuss this very subject.

Simon.

Wesner Moise

I am an evolutionist.

There is a mathematical formulation of the selection process in evolution, which could also be applied to many different phenomena besides nature:

Basical selection requires the following three steps:
1) variation in traits
2) differential reproduction
3) heredity

It's not enough for a trait is beneficial, it has to be shown to impact survival chances.

Evolution arguments that moves outside this formula tend to be suspect, especiallly when applied to the social issues.

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