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October 01, 2006

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Wes

John McCarthy, AI Pioneer, refutes Searles argument in http://reddit.com/goto?rss=true&id=jnf7

WaterBreath

It is interesting to me that Turing, being such a respected mathematician, logician, etc., should have had such an anthropocentric view of intelligence and AI.

Why should interaction with an intelligent machine be indistinguishable from an intelligent human? If the machine turns out to be "smarter", i.e. it doesn't make grammatical errors, it isn't restricted to understanding just a few cultural contexts, that would certainly reveal it as a machine, without ruling out intelligence.

Another interesting line of thought is to consider the nature of intelligence in other forms of life. What if humans were not the only sentient beings on earth? Would interaction with an intelligent dolphin be indistinguishable from that with an intelligent human? What about an intelligent dog? A bird? I would expect not. And why should expect otherwise from a machine, which is a vastly more different "organism"?

I am a strong believer that the nature of interaction between two beings is dependent on countless subtle contexts. Not the least of which is the physical forms of the entities. I would expect a sentient animal to seem much more "human" than a truly sentient machine. If for no other reason than that a machine, as we know it now, has no encpasulating tactile surface, no motility, no articulated limbs. Additionally, the senses and actuations it does have at its disposal work very different from humans', and in some cases aren't possessed by humans at all. The interface between a machine and the world has very little in common with a human, and so it means that a machine leads a very different "life" than a human. Which would again point to an inherent "distinguishability".

I would expect none of this to prevent us from creating a truly sentient machine. Even one that we can converse with, teach, and learn from.... With the caveat that, in order to achieve it, we cannot ignore the inherent differences. To focus on the humanity of an intelligent machine, we restrict ourselves, and it. We are placing artificial limitations on the endeavor. Yes, we must give the machines at least some common interaction mechanism (either audio or visual is in this respect a minimum, I think). But we should also not shy away from incorporating all of the machine's sense and actuation mechanisms to their full potential. An intelligent machine's visual communication should not be restricted to sign language motions displayed on its screen, for example, but should utilize the full plasticity of the monitor as a communication medium. And it should consider its network connection as an equally valid form of direct and "natural" communication with other devices.

However, if we choose to pursue this broader path to "designed" intelligence, we should not be surprised if the result is quite readily and unapologetically "distinguishable" from humanity.

DarkMinerva

In his book Behind Deep Blue: Building the Computer that Defeated the World Chess Champion (ISBN 0-691-09065-3), Feng-hsiung Hsu explains that the whole Human vs. Computer contest is really a competition between two humans (Human vs. Human Programmer). I've always found it interesting that a pioneer in artificial intelligence would emphasize such a disclaimer (at least to the level Hsu does in his book). For instance, he writes about his aversion for the media touting the famous Deep Blue vs. Kasparov chess matches as evidence computers are becoming smarter than humans. For somebody, like me, who believes computers will someday be more intelligent than humans, Hsu’s book was sobering to say the least.

Today I believe we will not see true artificial intelligence until we have a full understanding of our own intelligence. How can we even begin to match something that we don’t have a full picture of? Until we have a thorough understanding of the human brain, all AI attempts will be a bunch of guesses and “tricks”.

Johnnymushio

I agree with waterbreath about us not really knowing a thing about our own brain. It was always my own response to the question.

huoyangao

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In Turing Test Two, two players A and B are again being questioned by a human interrogator C. Before A gave out his answer (labeled as aa) to a question, he would also be required to guess how the other player B will answer the same question and this guess is labeled as ab. Similarly B will give her answer (labeled as bb) and her guess of A's answer, ba. The answers aa and ba will be grouped together as group a and similarly bb and ab will be grouped together as group b. The interrogator will be given first the answers as two separate groups and with only the group label (a and b) and without the individual labels (aa, ab, ba and bb). If C cannot tell correctly which of the aa and ba is from player A and which is from player B, B will get a score of one. If C cannot tell which of the bb and ab is from player B and which is from player A, A will get a score of one. All answers (with the individual labels) are then made available to all parties (A, B and C) and then the game continues. At the end of the game, the player who scored more is considered had won the game and is more "intelligent".
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http://turing-test-two.com/ttt/TTT.pdf

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