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February 11, 2004

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Michael Giagnocavo

Bad 3D movie? Final Fantasy. Square completely forgot to create a story in their rush to make awesome grpahics, which really sucks, since every FF game has pretty much rocked, story-wise. I loved FF6, even in SNES graphics. With the FF movie, they achieved awesome graphics. So, we were left with a movie that looked like it had real actors and no story. The Final Fantasy movie didn't even have an airship. What were they thinking?

Also, the technical quality of 2D animation in general has gone WAY down, from cartoons (ever see the junk they have on for kids these days) to movies (compare stills from recent Disney releases to Snow White).

Pixar would have great releases even if they were stuck with a 256x256 pixel screen with a 16-bit palette.

Michael Giagnocavo

Another thing, Disney has no excuse for turning out crappy movies. Look at movies like Tonari no Totoro, Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away, Kiki's Delivery Service, etc. I'm guessing their budgets are way under Disney's.

As well, one of the reasons that the 3D animations are working so well is that they know they don't look real, but embrace their shortcomings, which is great for cartoons. Traditional 2D animation doesn't have that shortcoming -- it's not trying to look real, it's trying to make you imagine it's real. 3D does quite the opposite in that it tries to recreate everything.

Thomas Freudenberg

I think the main point is the difference between hand-made vs. computer-generated, not 2D vs. 3D.

j-walker

alot more feelin and emotion goes into 2D, and there is alot more of your own creative style.

w earl

Interesting theory. But when have talking animal sidekicks not been a part of Disneys films (I seem to remember Beauty and the Beast had a French candle in it. 3D animation may be easier to tweak than 2D animation, but an artist still has to do that tweaking. And remember that Pixar puts so much work into the script/story/layouts stages that very little of the story changes during production. To say that the reputation of the genre has been hurt because Disney hasn't kept up it's usual high quality is a little uninformed and silly. I don't need to mention the high standard of Anime coming out of Japan (someone else already did), and not all of the animation on TV is crap - the simpsons, south park, the family guy, spongebob sq.pants. All examples of TV animation that are enjoyable, they may not be technically brillant like Finding Nemo, which is visually beautiful. I'd like to find the reviewer that stated that Pixar's renderman isn't up to what WETA (ie Gollum) is doing visually - WETA uses renderman to do it's final renders.

2D isn't dead. And 3D is just another tool to telling a story.

eric chapman

I believe there is a huge gulf between hand-drawn and computer animation. Compare the ultimate quality seen in Disney's Pinnochio with computer made work. Disney gathered some hundreds of the best artists in the world to produce work which has never been beaten. The hand-drawn line which comes directly from the brain of the artist must surely be a more immediate representation of the intended article (character) coupled with the work of the colouring department, to produce an art-form never equalled in the history of animation. Pixar may be a great company, but bears no relation to the Disney company of the 1930s/40s. I suppose if the general public, who today know nothing of Disney at his best, are happy with computer-generated work, that is unfortunate to say the least.
Eric Chapman (hand-drawn for all-time)

Siobhan

I just hope that 3D doesn't replace 2D, like digital cameras are trying to replace film. I'm not saying 'down with technology'. I just don't want it to replace things it shouldn't. I'm aspiring to be a 2D animatior, and with the way things are headed, my job opertunities are getting smaller. But, I find that filmakers like Miyazaki, put thier heart in these stories and present them perfectly with paper and pencil. It seems to me that other companies just want to push movies out there and hope they sell. Amazing things can be done in 2D, if you can look past the time and money it takes. It's all about the love of drawing for me.---Sio<><

thatkid

It's not weather or not the film was created by hand or by computer, it all comes down to the story, the creative energy of everyone involved in the movie, and the level of dedication and effort that the artist puts into the production to come out with a high-quality, highly enjoyable film. Disney management has completely forgotten those aspects and have instead shifted all creative control to the management in hopes that the films will come out better under some dictatorship. It seems as if the artists have turned into Michael Eisner's drones.

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